As someone whose job involves thinking about our social-media policies and our approach to comment behaviour, I'm always looking at what other newspapers and media outlets are doing, and today I came across a case that crossed a line — for me, at least — in terms of how to deal with problem commenters. It involved a vulgar comment made by a user at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's website, and the response by the site's director of social media, Kurt Greenbaum.
According to Greenbaum's blog post (which was mirrored on his personal blog), someone posted a comment on a story in which they used a colloquial or slang term for female genitalia. It was deleted, but then was reposted. Greenbaum says he noticed that the comment alert from Wordpress showed that it came from a nearby school. So Greenbaum called the school, and they asked him to send them the email with the comment, which he apparently did. About six hours later, he says, the school called and said that an employee had been confronted and that he had resigned.
Am I the only one who thinks that doing this goes way beyond the normal course of editorial behaviour? I've been moderating blog comments and story comments for several years now, both as a blogger and as the Globe and Mail's social-media editor (or Communities Editor, as we call the job), and there is no way that I would contact someone's workplace about a comment unless they had done something extremely egregious — such as making death threats, or repeatedly making abusive comments.
We've had hundreds or even thousands of such comments, most of which are much worse than the one Greenbaum is talking about, and I have never contacted someone's workplace, even when it was obvious that the person in question worked for the federal government.
I know I'm not the only one to see Greenbaum's behaviour as over-the-top, because a number of people agreed with me on Twitter when I asked the same question, and just as many or more took the social-media editor to task in the comments on his blog post. One commenter said:
“You guys don't like moderating so you call his work and get him fired. Nice. Happy holidays.”
to which Greenbaum replied:
“Yeah, you caught me! I made him log on to his computer at work, visit STLtoday.com's Talk of the Day, read the item, type a vulgarity and hit the “submit” key. Interesting perspective. Thanks for your contribution.”
Other readers said:
“What an abuse of power, Mr. Greenbaum!!! So is the Post Dispatch now a Gestapo Agent? What a sick and terrible thing you did to this employee in an economy where he probably doesn't stand a chance in getting another job! I recommend that YOU get fired for abuse of power!!!!! See how YOU feel!!!”
and
“YOU are the director of social media? tools to be leveraged to get businesses closer to their customers? what an awful story and it's even more embarassing that you squawk about it after the fact. the lesson is: be careful StlToday website visitors - never know when a bored employee will pursue some bizarre investigation that could cost you your job.”
and Greenbaum replies:
“Defend the guy who posted the vulgarity all you want. I'm not regulating someone's thought. He can think whatever he wants. I'm moderating our boards. Follow our guidelines and this won't be a problem for any of you. Remember, I said it was a school, right? It could have been a student. I didn't know who it was. I just thought the school might like to know about it. I sleep fine at night.”
What do you think of what Greenbaum did in this case? Did he overstep his bounds as the moderator of the St. Louis Today site, or do you think he was justified in what he did? Let me know in the comments.
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SherrySabine said:
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Mon, 2009-11-23 11:18 — SherrySabineLimorShiponi said:
Editorial behavior, like anything else, needs to be observed in context. We don't know the full story here really, since we are not given all the details. Mr. Greenbaum himself does not know them all as he stated. It might just be that the person who resigned had a longer tail about discipline issues than we know. Connecting Kurt's act directly to him loosing his job might be the wrong thing to do. In addition, there is great importance to other parts of the story like the connection between the fact this person works with kids, the content of the comment and especially him insisting on posting it again.
I'm asking myself what I would do, looking at what I've done until now. I've been moderating a forum for five years now. Very rarely did I delete a post or a comment. My rule of thumb has been that if someone is using the platform to abuse, the tool has to be taken away at once. From there on it depended on the context - suicidal posts and threats I reported on, to those who are in charge of taking care of these issues in society. I don't think I would call the person's workplace though - it is not their responsibility to bring people to a field trial.
In any case, not doing anything is worse in my opinion.
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Sun, 2009-11-22 08:15 — LimorShiponiknowledgeflows said:
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Sun, 2009-11-22 00:06 — bob roanSherrySabine said:
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Sat, 2009-11-21 14:23 — SherrySabineknowledgeflows said:
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Sat, 2009-11-21 13:06 — bob roanSherrySabine said:
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Fri, 2009-11-20 18:12 — SherrySabineTraceyZiegler said:
We as an "Online Social" group have become out right disrespectful to one another. The comments continuously cross the line to personal attacks and often include inappropriate language. In would be beneficial to discuss the behavior not attack the individual.
That being said, Mr. Greenbaum took his personal frustration to bit farther and needed. There are methods to block users (IPs) and as mentioned above an email requesting the submitter use appropriate language to voice his/her opinion would have been an acceptable step.
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Fri, 2009-11-20 14:21 — Tracey ZLaurelPapworth said:
I wrote a piece on journalism vs bloggers - the "naming and shaming" convention. http://laurelpapworth.com/at-war-journalism-vs-social-media-rules-of-engagement/ Normally traditional media doesn't name a junior member of staff, just directors and such. Bloggers don't always think about that. But I have noticed a predilection for journalists and journoggers (bloggers that are ex-journos) to use IP addresses to name and shame commenters.If that is all that is being used to control etiquette on site, the site is in trouble!
In my communities (not blogs) we make banning etc a private discussion and request that members do not discuss the bannings, on site. Nothing inflames communities more than defending/attacking each others value systems.
Greenbaum was wrong - the comment did not meet his site's values but banning the IP address, emailing the submitter a request to not use those words, and/or directing him/her to the code of conduct is great moderating. Personally hunting down the commenter and taking the discussion into their private life is not.
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Thu, 2009-11-19 19:42 — Laurel PapworthPost new comment